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		<title>Comment on Clare Graves&#8217; values psychology and Spiral Dynamics by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Criticism of Clare Graves’ research methodology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Criticism of Clare Graves’ research methodology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a follow on from a post about Graves&#8217; research methodology and part of a series of posts about Clare Graves&#8217; values psychology and Spiral Dynamics. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Clare Graves ECLET or E-C Theory by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Criticisim of Clare Graves&#8217; research methodoloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Criticisim of Clare Graves&#8217; research methodoloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a follow on from a post about Graves&#8217; research methodology and part of a series of posts about Clare Graves&#8217; values psychology and Spiral [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Clare Graves&#8217; values psychology and Spiral Dynamics by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The AN system. The earliest values system that Clare Graves identified</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The AN system. The earliest values system that Clare Graves identified</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post is part of a series, see the introduction to Gravsian psychology and Spiral Dynamics for an ordered list of [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Clare Graves&#8217; values psychology and Spiral Dynamics by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is the transition town movement forwards or backwards looking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is the transition town movement forwards or backwards looking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spiral dynamics introduction to understand DQ, ER, FS [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Upgrading democracy by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama wish list</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama wish list</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] modern technology to shore up the security of the vote. (I&#8217;ve written about it myself, and again) b) Lobbying. We have our own problems with money corrupting and biasing government process, as the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Clare Graves&#8217; values psychology and Spiral Dynamics by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama wish list</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama wish list</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the arts but in the sciences as well.  Further more, critical to our society is development of people with values that can push society forwards. At present society is centralised on rational/reductionist values [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy 2.0 by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama wish list</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama wish list</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on 3AM Thoughts by Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to create a space elevator with hot air balloons.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyshine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to create a space elevator with hot air balloons.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Preventing depressions and saving the environment. by admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lazylion.

Thanks for your comment.

I have often thought along the same lines myself. We, the people are the bosses of all who work for the government so we have a right to know exactly what they do on our time with our money, yet at the same time they are people and have a right to privacy.  Just as I would not like a camera recording me as I work I could not expect another to do it.  However that does not mean we cannot make certain parts of the process public, such as the meetings between commercial groups and politicians. I think there is a line we could draw that we are nowhere close to. The government watches us with far less oversight.

In thinking about this post after writing it I can see I have not made my point very well (I have a four week old daughter and could do with a little more sleep).  I think that the way in which government is organised takes very little consideration for the psychology involved, especially when dealing with conflicts of interest. It seems obvious to me that when you have two systems interacting that have conflicting interests and both are incentivised essentially with greed (be it for power, money or both) then that is perfect recipe for corruption. We need to somehow change the way in which the system is organised so that these conflicts are worked around. There are many other ways in which we could do it. We could for example change the way government works so that those who make the real decisions are more strongly incentivised by co-operation rather than personal success. I am not sure how this could be done in a democracy.

I agree, a completely open financial system would be great, but I don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lazylion.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>I have often thought along the same lines myself. We, the people are the bosses of all who work for the government so we have a right to know exactly what they do on our time with our money, yet at the same time they are people and have a right to privacy.  Just as I would not like a camera recording me as I work I could not expect another to do it.  However that does not mean we cannot make certain parts of the process public, such as the meetings between commercial groups and politicians. I think there is a line we could draw that we are nowhere close to. The government watches us with far less oversight.</p>
<p>In thinking about this post after writing it I can see I have not made my point very well (I have a four week old daughter and could do with a little more sleep).  I think that the way in which government is organised takes very little consideration for the psychology involved, especially when dealing with conflicts of interest. It seems obvious to me that when you have two systems interacting that have conflicting interests and both are incentivised essentially with greed (be it for power, money or both) then that is perfect recipe for corruption. We need to somehow change the way in which the system is organised so that these conflicts are worked around. There are many other ways in which we could do it. We could for example change the way government works so that those who make the real decisions are more strongly incentivised by co-operation rather than personal success. I am not sure how this could be done in a democracy.</p>
<p>I agree, a completely open financial system would be great, but I don</p>
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		<title>Comment on Preventing depressions and saving the environment. by lazylion</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've often felt that our elected politicians need to become a kind of priesthood, supported by the state for life in exchange for complete 100% openness in all of their dealings.  

The trouble comes from families.

Just because the wife or father or niece is a politician (and therefore has to have all of their financial dealings open for public scrutiny) doesn't mean that all the persons loved or related to or deeply trusted by that person will adhere to such otherwise reasonable limitations.

Other than that, I don't see the advantage of having a separate layer of persons between us and lawmakers; only that the lawmakers themselves need to be owning the economy.  To provide them financial incentive seems to be a problem too; if that were really important to them, they could make a lot more of it easier by catering to rich special interests, as they do now.

My idea for complete financial openness may not be practical.  But I fear it is the only way to ensure that the kind of malfeasance we've been experiencing is replaced by something -hopefully- better.  

I have no answers, only critisisms.  :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often felt that our elected politicians need to become a kind of priesthood, supported by the state for life in exchange for complete 100% openness in all of their dealings.  </p>
<p>The trouble comes from families.</p>
<p>Just because the wife or father or niece is a politician (and therefore has to have all of their financial dealings open for public scrutiny) doesn&#8217;t mean that all the persons loved or related to or deeply trusted by that person will adhere to such otherwise reasonable limitations.</p>
<p>Other than that, I don&#8217;t see the advantage of having a separate layer of persons between us and lawmakers; only that the lawmakers themselves need to be owning the economy.  To provide them financial incentive seems to be a problem too; if that were really important to them, they could make a lot more of it easier by catering to rich special interests, as they do now.</p>
<p>My idea for complete financial openness may not be practical.  But I fear it is the only way to ensure that the kind of malfeasance we&#8217;ve been experiencing is replaced by something -hopefully- better.  </p>
<p>I have no answers, only critisisms.  :o)</p>
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